Today, Dr. Phil played several recordings of Jared Fogle talking to a friend-turned-FBI informant about his attraction to children, and, well, it’s all as bad as you think.

For context, this clip is a part of a conversation between Fogle and Rochelle Herman-Walrond. Herman-Walrond once interviewed Fogle on the radio, and she says he immediately came onto her and quickly expressed his attraction to children. Herman-Walrond then began recording phone calls she had with Fogle before eventually going to the FBI and becoming an informant.

The above recording is from a conversation in which Herman-Walrond says she led Fogle to believe she was planning a pool party with friends of her young children so that she and Fogle could find one to have sex with. “I need to see if one of these little boys are a possibility for us,” Fogle tells her. He then explains how they would seduce their victim:

Well, if we got them—got them segregated out, you know, in this thing where it’s just the three of us, you know, we sort of, you know, we just sort of start talking or whatever and we just start sharing stories and then, you know, we get a little closer, and a little closer, and a little closer, and before you know it, you know, it’s, you know, it just starts to happen.

Fogle then goes onto mention that it might be easiest for them to trick “that girl from the broken home,” referring to a young girl Herman-Walrond claims she invented when Fogle pushed her to describe the children that would be at the party.

The conversations are, obviously, very disturbing. In an earlier clip, Fogle asks Herman-Walrond, “Do you want to watch me fuck a young girl, too?” He then asks her, “Will you fuck a young boy?” Then later: “Will you—will you fuck a little [redacted] for me?” When Herman-Walrond asks Fogle if he would be turned on by her having sex with a young boy, he says, “it would turn me on so much.”

He insists that “Kathy”—another young girl Herman-Walrond says she made up—be involved too, prompting this exchange:

Fogle: “And I would fly all three of us clear across the world if we need to.

Herman-Walrond: “Really? Like where?”

Fogle: “To Thailand or wherever we want to go.”

Herman Walrond: “Well, where would we have to go? We have to go away somewhere?”

Fogle: “Well, we could. It would just make things a lot easier. If we’re gonna try to get some young kids with us. It would be a lot easier probably.”

In another section of the conversation about the fake pool party, Fogle asks Harmon-Walrond if she had ever thought about “sucking Brad’s dick”—Brad being another invented child that Fogle believes is 10 years old. “Would you share his dick with me?” he asks.

Fogle, who has already paid out $1 million to ten of his 14 victims, will be sentenced on Nov. 19.

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