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It’s always a pleasure to hear candidates talk shit about each other—all the more so when they don’t know everyone can hear them. This is true even when the conversation is only mildly rude, as it was between Hillary Clinton and Chris Matthews during a commercial break Monday, audio of which was obtained by the Washington Post.

“Why did [Chris Christie] support Trump?” Clinton wonders during the brief conversation, which also touched on Ben Carson’s speaking voice and Christie’s electability—or lack thereof. “Did he have a debt or something?”

It kind of seems that way!

Listen to the rest here.